A Tesla Mannequin Y is seen on a Tesla automotive lot on Might 31, 2023 in Austin, Texas. Tesla’s Mannequin Y has develop into the world’s finest promoting automotive within the first quarter of 2023.
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Shreyansh Jain was ecstatic in March when he picked up his first electrical car, a brand-new 2023 Tesla Mannequin Y. He used a large chunk of household financial savings to purchase it with money.
“We had been over the moon!” stated Jain, an electronics engineer in Cambridge, England.
His exuberance got here to a “grinding halt” someday later, with 115 miles on the odometer, Jain informed Reuters. As he drove along with his spouse and 3-year-old daughter, he out of the blue misplaced steering management as he made a gradual flip into their neighborhood. The car’s front-right suspension had collapsed, and components of the automotive loudly scraped the street because it got here to a cease.
“They had been completely petrified,” Jain stated of his spouse and daughter. “If we had been on a 70-mile-per-hour freeway, and this is able to have occurred, that will have been catastrophic.”
The complicated restore required practically 40 hours of labor to rebuild the suspension and substitute the steering column, amongst different fixes, in accordance with an in depth restore estimate. The price: greater than $14,000. Tesla refused to cowl the repairs, blaming the accident on “prior” suspension harm.
Jain is one in all tens of hundreds of Tesla homeowners who’ve skilled untimely failures of suspension or steering components, in accordance with a Reuters evaluate of hundreds of Tesla paperwork. The continual failures, many in comparatively new automobiles, date again at the very least seven years and stretch throughout Tesla’s mannequin lineup and throughout the globe, from China to the US to Europe, in accordance with the data and interviews with greater than 20 prospects and 9 former Tesla managers or service technicians.
Particular person suspension or steering points with Teslas have been mentioned on-line and in information accounts for years. However the paperwork, which haven’t been beforehand reported, supply essentially the most complete view to this point into the scope of the issues and the way Tesla dealt with what its engineers have internally referred to as half “flaws” and “failures.” The data and interviews reveal for the primary time that the automaker has lengthy recognized way more in regards to the frequency and extent of the defects than it has disclosed to customers and security regulators.
The paperwork, dated between 2016 and 2022, embrace restore studies from Tesla service facilities globally; analyses and knowledge opinions by engineers on components with excessive failure charges; and memos despatched to technicians globally, instructing them to inform customers that damaged components on their vehicles weren’t defective.
Neither Tesla nor high government Elon Musk responded to detailed questions for this text. Musk has acknowledged some build-quality issues with Teslas up to now, significantly the entry-level Mannequin 3. However he additionally says his vehicles don’t have any peer.
“We make the perfect vehicles,” he stated of Tesla at a New York Instances occasion final month. “Whether or not you hate me, like me or are detached, would you like the perfect automotive, or do you not need the perfect automotive?”
Tesla’s dealing with of suspension and steering complaints displays a sample throughout Musk’s company empire of dismissing considerations about security or different harms raised by prospects, staff and others as he rushes to roll out new merchandise or broaden gross sales, Reuters has discovered.
A Reuters investigation in November documented at the very least 600 accidents at rocket-builder SpaceX, the place staff described a tradition of dashing harmful initiatives with little regard for staff’ security worries. In July, the information company revealed how Tesla had created a secret staff to suppress hundreds of buyer complaints about poor driving vary. The report, which discovered that Tesla rigged an algorithm to inflate its vehicles’ in-dash vary estimates, sparked a federal investigation. Late final yr, Reuters uncovered how hurried experiments at Musk’s brain-chip startup, Neuralink, resulted within the pointless struggling and deaths of laboratory animals, regardless of objections from staff looking for to guard them.
Neither Musk nor any of his firms commented for these studies. However he just lately lashed out at critics of his social-media firm, X, previously Twitter, which has seen its income and market worth plummet since Musk purchased the agency for $44 billion a few yr in the past. On the dwell Instances occasion, he went after advertisers who boycotted X over Musk’s endorsement of an antisemitic submit on the social-media website. “Go f— your self,” the billionaire informed firms who pulled their enterprise.
In contrast to conventional automakers, which use unbiased sellers to promote and restore automobiles, Tesla sells on to prospects and owns and operates a big portion of its service facilities. That offers the automaker terribly detailed real-time visibility into components failures, repairs and guarantee claims, which Tesla engineers meticulously tracked and analyzed for years, the corporate data present.
But the corporate has denied among the suspension and steering issues in statements to U.S. regulators and the general public – and, in accordance with Tesla data, sought to shift among the ensuing restore prices to prospects.
Tesla has blamed frequent failures of a number of components on Tesla homeowners, alleging they abused the vehicles, in accordance with interviews with former service managers, firm data and a 2020 Tesla letter to the U.S. Nationwide Freeway Site visitors Security Administration (NHTSA). In different instances, the automaker charged prospects with out-of-warranty vehicles to exchange components that Tesla engineers internally referred to as flawed or that they knew had excessive failure charges. Engineers ordered repeated redesigns for a number of components and mentioned looking for a refund from suppliers due to the defects.
The data reveal persistent issues with low-tech suspension connections, equivalent to higher and decrease management arms, and fore and aft hyperlinks. These components are comparatively cheap for Tesla and largely invisible to most customers. However they play a essential position in safely connecting a automotive’s axle and wheels to its physique and steering equipment.
Two extra complicated and costly components additionally ceaselessly failed: half shafts – the left and proper drive axles – and steering racks, which frequently wanted changing after sudden power-steering outages that some Tesla homeowners stated practically precipitated accidents. One driver stated in an interview that his brand-new 2023 Mannequin Y jerked to the suitable when the power-steering out of the blue failed at velocity, practically placing the car right into a ditch.
No less than 11 drivers informed Tesla a crash was attributable to a failure within the suspension, steering or wheel meeting, firm data present. These accident claims, which haven’t been beforehand reported by the media, had been recorded by Tesla workers between 2018 and 2021 and assigned to engineers or technicians for evaluate.
In April 2021, the proprietor of a 2020 Mannequin 3 with lower than 15,000 miles on the odometer, went to a Tesla restore middle in Brooklyn, New York, after an accident. The technician’s abstract: “Entrance wheel fell off whereas driving on Autopilot at 60 mph,” referring to Tesla’s automated driving system. The wrecked automotive was bought, with out the entrance wheel, in November 2021, public sale data present.
The next month, one other proprietor of a 2020 Mannequin X in Madrid reported a wheel falling off whereas driving, the data present. Neither driver is recognized within the data, which additionally don’t element how Tesla responded.
The suspension collapse in Jain’s automotive fortuitously occurred at low velocity. It was nonetheless surprising in a automotive he had owned for lower than 24 hours. The automaker informed him the suspension collapse was attributable to the separation of a decrease management arm from the steering knuckle, which connects to the wheel meeting. Jain anticipated Tesla to cowl the harm.
Elon Musk speaks onstage throughout The New York Instances Dealbook Summit 2023 at Jazz at Lincoln Middle on November 29, 2023 in New York Metropolis.
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A Tesla Service consultant had texted Jain that an preliminary inspection discovered “no proof of any exterior harm” that precipitated the incident and implied Tesla would pay for the repairs, in accordance with a replica of the textual content Jain supplied to Reuters.
A couple of week later, Tesla despatched Jain a letter denying accountability, saying it had inspected the car and decided that the trigger was “a previous exterior influenced harm to the front-right suspension.”
Jain stated he was the one driver of the automotive through the someday he owned it and hadn’t had an accident earlier than the suspension failure. “I used to be like, ‘Bloody hell, how can steel simply snap like that once I know for positive the automotive has not hit something?'” he stated.
The restore took about three months. Jain paid a deductible of about $1,250 to have the work coated by his insurance coverage firm, which after the declare hiked his charges sharply on one other automotive he owned, he stated.
Fed up with the ordeal, Jain bought the repaired Tesla – for about $10,000 lower than the $55,000 he paid for it.
“I misplaced full confidence within the automotive,” he stated.
Recalling components in China — however not within the U.S.
The Tesla data reveal the corporate’s in depth data of systemic suspension and steering issues, whilst the corporate denied among the similar issues to regulators and prospects who anticipated the corporate to pay for repairs. One particularly problematic half was the aft hyperlink.
A collection of 2016 suspension failures in China bears putting similarities to the incident with Jain’s automotive seven years later. A few of Tesla’s earliest China prospects informed the automaker {that a} entrance wheel had collapsed whereas turning at low speeds on its Mannequin S luxurious sports activities automotive, Tesla’s first mass-produced car.
The entrance aft hyperlink, an aluminum-alloy suspension arm, had snapped, Tesla engineers discovered, in accordance with firm data that documented half a dozen such incidents. Between 2016 and 2020, Tesla resolved about 400 complaints involving aft-link failures in China, in accordance with a former Tesla worker with direct data of the matter. The corporate mounted vehicles beneath guarantee or by making so-called goodwill repairs for out-of-warranty automobiles, the previous worker stated. Tesla redesigned the half 4 occasions as a result of the preliminary revisions didn’t totally repair the issue, the automaker’s data present.
“The collapse of the suspension is terrifying to the client,” Riccardo Dong, a Tesla engineer then based mostly in China, wrote in 2016 on the corporate’s troubleshooting platform. “Many house owners are asking for a recall.”
Dong didn’t reply to a request for remark.
Tesla delayed a recall for 4 extra years, till Chinese language regulators pushed for one. China’s State Administration for Market Regulation, in a press release, cited a “danger of accidents” in excessive instances of the aft-link half failure. But the automaker by no means recalled the half in the US and Europe regardless of studies of frequent failures globally.
Elon Musk, chief government officer of Tesla Inc., speaks through the Tesla China-Made Mannequin 3 Supply Ceremony on the firm’s Gigafactory in Shanghai, China, on Tuesday, Jan. 7, 2020.
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Tesla informed U.S. regulators the failures had been attributable to “driver abuse.” The corporate additionally instructed service facilities, in a February 2019 “speaking factors” memo, to make use of the identical rationalization with prospects experiencing aft-link failures. They had been informed accountable “car misuse,” equivalent to “hitting a curb or different extreme sturdy impression.”
Tesla makes use of the phrases “abuse” and “misuse” within the situations of its guarantee contract language that permit the automaker to say no claims for repairs or harm.
Tesla employed this deny-and-delay technique as its ballooning prices of guarantee repairs threatened the corporate’s profitability at a essential juncture – when buyers had been scrutinizing its long-term prospects.
Through the fourth quarter of 2018, Tesla paid practically $500 for repairs, on common, for each Tesla in operation on the time, service engineers had been informed in a collection of memos. In complete, an April 2019 memo famous, Tesla’s restore enterprise misplaced $263 million within the quarter due to the excessive quantity of guarantee and goodwill repairs. For comparability, that was practically double Tesla’s quarterly revenue of $139 million.
Some U.S. prospects with out-of-warranty vehicles paid greater than $1,000 to restore aft hyperlinks, and Tesla data present many European prospects had been annoyed at paying for replacements. Tesla’s fundamental U.S. guarantee lasts 4 years or 50,000 miles, and protection is analogous in most different markets.
Tesla has additionally fought in court docket to keep away from making repairs to suspension components, together with management arm meeting parts. The automaker scored a current victory in a potential class-action lawsuit alleging Tesla was conscious that Mannequin S and X vehicles produced from 2013 to 2018 had a “suspension defect,” but refused to cowl restore prices, even for automobiles nonetheless beneath guarantee. A federal choose in California dismissed claims from one plaintiff in January 2023, ruling he had failed to indicate Tesla “knew or ought to have recognized” of an alleged defect in his automotive.
The category-action lawsuit, nevertheless, did not cite the Tesla data Reuters reviewed for this text. The opposite two plaintiffs voluntarily dismissed their claims with out prejudice, which may permit them to refile an identical case later.
Tesla has had 9 remembers in the US for steering and suspension points since 2018, NHTSA data present. Most affected a comparatively small variety of automobiles. The biggest was in 2018, to exchange steering-rack bolts on greater than 70,000 Mannequin S automobiles due to the danger that corrosion may trigger a lack of energy steering.
Tesla engineers had been nonetheless inspecting the aft-link failures as just lately as 2022, firm data present. In February of that yr, one firm knowledge evaluate famous that the a number of revisions to the half, over a number of years, had lastly mounted all “main flaws.”
Earlier, in April 2019, Netherlands-based Tesla Product Assist Engineer Ralf van Gestel offered findings on the aft-link difficulty in an evaluation. He discovered Tesla had spent practically $4 million on suspension guarantee repairs globally for fashions S and X over the earlier 12 months. Aft-link failures, usually on vehicles lower than two years previous, accounted for the biggest portion, $1.3 million.
Within the 12 months earlier than van Gestel’s evaluation, Tesla had changed about 11,000 of the components, about two-thirds of them beneath guarantee, the information collected by van Gestel confirmed.
In September 2020, Tesla engineers in Europe examined the lengthy historical past of aft-link failures. Valentin Oetliker, an engineer and firm intern based mostly in France, expressed alarm that the half had a “excessive failure charge” regardless of a redesign. In an evaluation written for different engineers, he famous that many purchasers had been dissatisfied at paying for the repairs in newer automobiles. On the time, about 5% of the 12,858 Mannequin S and Mannequin X automobiles on the street in Tesla’s southern Europe and Center East markets had wanted repairs due to aft-link failures, in accordance with a Reuters calculation of the information reported by Oetliker.
Oetliker didn’t remark.
That very same month, in a September 3, 2020, letter to U.S. regulators, Tesla denied there have been any defects with the identical aft hyperlinks that its engineers had decided had been flawed. It informed NHTSA it will not recall the half for U.S. prospects, regardless of its recall of the identical half the month earlier than in China.
The corporate informed NHTSA it had voluntarily recalled the aft hyperlink and one other suspension half beneath stress from China regulators, despite the fact that it disagreed with their evaluation, as a result of preventing them offered a “heavy burden.” On the time, Tesla was trying to ramp up manufacturing at its newly constructed Shanghai Gigafactory, which might develop into the world’s best and worthwhile electric-vehicle plant.
Against this, Tesla took a agency stance with U.S. regulators.
“There isn’t any defect within the topic parts and no related security danger,” a senior Tesla lawyer wrote to NHTSA, once more blaming homeowners: “The foundation reason behind the difficulty is driver abuse.”
The letter cited a drastically decrease failure frequency than the 5% failure charge for the aft hyperlink within the markets that Oetliker analyzed. Addressing each aft hyperlinks and the opposite half it recalled in China, a rear suspension higher hyperlink, Tesla informed NHTSA: “The incidence of such failures in China (approx. 0.1%) and elsewhere (lower than 0.05%) stays exceedingly uncommon.”
NHTSA has not ordered Tesla to take any motion on the components the corporate recalled in China. The company has not defined why. The U.S. security regulator, nevertheless, has since 2020 been investigating an identical entrance suspension half generally known as a fore hyperlink, and its danger of breaking, in fashions S and X. The company has stated it acquired dozens of complaints in regards to the half breaking, together with a number of about failures occurring at freeway speeds.
NHTSA confirmed to Reuters it was investigating the fore hyperlink. The company additionally launched a probe into power-steering outages in July. NHTSA declined additional touch upon each inquiries.
A number of Tesla electrical automobiles are parked in entrance of a Tesla service middle within the Kearny Mesa area, in San Diego, California, U.S., October 31, 2023.
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In July 2021, Henrietta Wooten, a retiree outdoors St. Louis, was backing her 2015 Mannequin S out of the driveway when she heard a “screeching noise” and a “huge previous thump,” she stated in an interview. The wheel had collapsed after a break within the fore hyperlink that NHTSA is investigating. The restore price her about $980.
In March, the company requested Tesla for extra info on fore-link failures, together with any studies of fires associated to the half breaking. Such an element failure may trigger a hearth if the battery, which is embedded within the flooring of Tesla automobiles, scrapes the bottom, stated Michael Brooks, government director on the Middle for Auto Security, a shopper advocacy group.
Suspension components are essential for security as a result of a failure “just about signifies that your automotive goes to have some kind of lack of management and a a lot increased likelihood of a crash,” Brooks stated in an interview.
Tesla homeowners have filed about 260 complaints with NHTSA over suspension and steering issues this yr, in comparison with about 750 for Basic Motors and 230 for Toyota. That makes Tesla’s grievance charge far increased when contemplating the variety of GM and Toyota automobiles on the street. GM has a 21% share of U.S. vehicles in operation; Toyota, 15%. Tesla’s share: lower than 1%, in accordance with knowledge analytics agency Experian.
Bother in Norway
When Tesla engineer van Gestel examined widespread suspension issues, he discovered control-arm failure failures had been the second-most costly failure for the automaker within the 12 months previous April 2019. Management arms on the Mannequin X had failed greater than 3,000 occasions throughout that interval, regardless of a redesign of the half.
The engineer discovered that entrance higher management arms in fashions S and X had been liable to early failure, with most replacements occurring inside 2-1/2 years of possession, he stated in a report for Tesla engineers. Van Gestel advisable “subsequent steps,” together with “enhance high quality” of the half and “cost again provider” for the failures.
The data don’t clarify whether or not Tesla ever acquired any a refund from suppliers. Van Gestel didn’t reply to a request for remark.
The control-arm downside continued for years, throughout Tesla’s mannequin lineup. The automaker changed entrance higher management arms on about 120,000 vehicles globally from January 2021 by March 2022, in accordance with a Reuters evaluation of restore data included within the Tesla paperwork. A lot of the replacements got here on the Mannequin 3, Tesla’s least costly car. Most of the buyer complaints had been for noise.
Tesla paid for a lot of the 120,000 automobiles repaired beneath guarantee, however homeowners with older vehicles additionally paid for 31,000 repairs, the Reuters evaluation confirmed. An higher management arm can price about $90 on a Mannequin 3 and greater than $280 for a Mannequin X, in accordance with invoices supplied by prospects. That does not embrace labor, which might run $200 an hour or extra for a Tesla technician.
Such suspension defects are uncommon on comparatively new vehicles, stated David Friedman, former performing NHTSA administrator beneath the Obama administration.
“You definitely should not be anticipating suspensions to fail throughout the first few years of proudly owning a car,” Friedman stated in an interview.
Former service managers and technicians in Norway, the nation with essentially the most Teslas per capita, stated in interviews that they had been inundated with indignant prospects complaining of early control-arm failures. They stated that rigidity elevated because the automaker, beginning in 2017, informed service staff to push the price of the frequent and repeated failures onto prospects to chop guarantee and goodwill restore prices.
One supervisor stated he was pressured out after resisting the corporate’s push accountable prospects for the failures of defective management arms. “I stated: ‘Now, now we have to give up speaking bullshit,'” he recalled. A service technician stated he began in 2018 and give up a yr later over the difficulty. “I wasn’t doing the rest than simply always altering these management arms,” he stated.
One senior supervisor defended the corporate’s push to chop prices, saying some service managers had been giving freely repairs in Norway at a charge that will “bankrupt any firm.”
‘Womp-womp-womp’
The problematic management arms and hyperlinks had been low cost and easy components. However two extra complicated and costly Tesla parts – steering racks and axle half shafts – additionally ceaselessly failed on newer automobiles.
Hint Curry had a slew of issues along with his 2016 Mannequin X. After paying about $110,000 for the car, the Cincinnati surgeon needed to substitute the management arms twice, as soon as beneath guarantee and as soon as at his personal expense. Later, after the four-year guarantee ran out, he paid about $10,000 extra out of pocket for suspension and drive-axle components that failed, in accordance with invoices Curry supplied to Reuters.
A Tesla Mannequin X is displayed through the Geneva Motor Present 2016 on March 1, 2016 in Geneva, Switzerland.
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In 2018, Curry needed to substitute each entrance half shafts, the left and proper drive axles that hook up with the wheels, beneath guarantee. Then he needed to pay about $1,500 final yr to exchange each of them once more.
When suspension components rust or put on out, the primary symptom may be an annoying squeak, irritating some Tesla drivers who paid six-figure sums for a luxurious car that promised whisper-quiet, breakneck acceleration.
“It sounds such as you’re driving a jalopy from the Seventies,” Curry stated. “It defeats the aim of the excessive velocity when you’re afraid that your entrance wheels are going to fall off when you speed up shortly.”
Tesla tracked noise complaints on the brand new Mannequin 3 in 2018 and 2019, firm data present. Restore facilities dealt with about 300 instances the place homeowners who had half shafts or wheel hubs changed reported a big selection of unusual noises alerting them to the issue. The complaints included descriptions of “clicking,” “clunking,” a “whir,” a “loud bang” or a “womp-womp-womp” noise growing with velocity. In these 300 instances, Tesla tracked “days to failure,” the full variety of days between the beginning of a car’s new-car guarantee and a restore. The common was about eight months.
When the half shafts failed in Curry’s Mannequin X, the SUV vibrated severely, particularly beneath acceleration. He referred to as the a number of replacements “insane” in a automotive that new: “Have you ever ever heard of anyone having to exchange the axles when you did not have an accident?”
Tesla engineers heard about it rather a lot, firm data present. One restore evaluation confirmed the corporate changed practically 66,000 half shafts between January 2021 and March 2022. Prospects paid for about 10% of these repairs.
Lars Heykers, a senior technician in Belgium, wrote on an organization messaging system in September 2021: “We’ve a automotive which already had the most recent revision of the half shafts 6 weeks in the past, and the identical difficulty has returned. Is there one other repair for this or simply substitute them once more?”
A couple of engineer made a degree of claiming the difficulty had nothing to do with harm attributable to prospects. Engineer Anastasia Skolariki, who was troubleshooting restore issues and buyer complaints for Tesla in Europe, wrote in Might 2020 to different engineers and technicians that the issue was a design difficulty “and never abusive conduct from the client facet.” The corporate wanted to cowl repairs for vehicles beneath guarantee, she stated, “irrespective of what number of occasions the car involves Service with the identical difficulty.”
Neither Heykers nor Skolariki responded to requests for remark.
In 2019, a Tesla engineer in Shanghai flagged a failure on a brand-new Mannequin S with 160 kilometers (99 miles) on it. The automotive’s rear left half shaft had damaged into three items when the proprietor stepped on the accelerator; one of many items pierced the electric-drive unit that powers the automotive.
One other downside seen in brand-new Teslas: sudden power-steering outages.
In Might, lower than two months after shopping for his 2023 Mannequin Y, Jamie Minshall felt it jerk out of the blue to the suitable whereas driving outdoors Portland, Oregon. A dashboard error message popped up: “Steering help decreased,” indicating a lack of power-steering. Shedding the facility operate makes the steering wheel out of the blue tougher to show.
“Luckily, I used to be in a position to hit the brakes fast sufficient and never go into the ditch, however, yeah, it was fairly terrifying,” stated Minshall, who has raced vehicles as a passion. “It tried to kill me.”
In July, NHTSA started investigating power-steering outages in 2023 Mannequin 3 and Mannequin Y automobiles.
The brand new Tesla Mannequin 3+ is on sale at a Tesla retailer in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province, China, September 26, 2023.
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Between late 2017 and early 2022, greater than 400 Mannequin 3 or Mannequin Y homeowners informed the automaker about power-steering failures, in accordance with a Reuters evaluate of buyer messages despatched by Tesla’s service app. Some reported outages of different security techniques on the similar time. The steering complaints accelerated in late 2021 and early 2022.
One Tesla proprietor from Charlotte, North Carolina, who isn’t named within the Tesla data, reported to the automaker on Dec. 27, 2021: “Our Mannequin Y began to buck” earlier than energy steering and stability management stopped working.
Two weeks later, a Mannequin Y driver close to White Plains, New York, informed service technicians: “I can’t drive the automotive. Not one of the energy features work.”
When NHTSA began its investigation into energy steering in late July, it did so on the idea of complaints from 12 drivers. Tesla had recognized of greater than 30 occasions that variety of complaints since 2017 on fashions 3 and Y, its data present.
NHTSA declined to touch upon whether or not Tesla had disclosed shopper complaints about energy steering or security incidents to the company.
Andrew Lundeen, of Santa Rosa, California, was driving his spouse’s 2018 Mannequin 3 in August when he rode over a velocity bump and misplaced energy steering.
Lundeen stated in an interview {that a} Tesla service supervisor informed him {that a} power-steering connector had corroded. The supervisor stated the probably trigger was a automotive wash, which he described as a recognized downside.
Lundeen paid $4,400 to exchange the steering rack and a wiring harness.
“That is the one automotive that I’ve ever heard of the place a automotive wash can harm the wiring,” Lundeen recalled telling the supervisor.
Lundeen stated he was so shocked by the supervisor’s frank rationalization of Tesla’s half failures that he wrote it down: “All I can let you know,” the Tesla supervisor stated, “is we’re not a 100-year-old firm like GM and Ford. We have not labored all of the bugs out but.”